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Chapter 17
Managing ClustersThe use of clusters helps you to achieve high availability for your applications. This chapter explains how to use the load balancer to manage the clusters. It also provides important information about clusters that will help you fully utilize the failover capabilities of SunTM Open Net Environment (Sun ONE) Application Server 7, Enterprise Edition.
This chapter includes the following sections:
About ClustersA cluster is a group of application server instances that work together as one logical entity. A cluster provides a runtime environment for one or more J2EE applications.
The use of clusters in Sun ONE Application Server helps you to achieve:
- High availability by allowing for failover protection for the application server instances in a cluster. If one application server instance goes down, other application server instances take over the requests that the unavailable server was serving.
- Scalability by allowing for the addition of application server instances to a cluster, thus increasing the capacity of the system. The load balancer of Sun ONE Application Server distributes requests to the available application server instances within the cluster. There is no disruption in service required as you add more application server instances to a cluster.
Note
You can use multiple clusters to perform online upgrades without loss of service. This is explained in "Using Multiple Clusters for Online Upgrades Without Loss of Service".
Important Facts About Clusters in Sun ONE Application Server
Here are important facts that you must know about clusters in Sun ONE Application Server:
For more information on failover of HTTP sessions, see Chapter 18, "Configuring Session Persistence."
- The application server instances in a Sun ONE Application Server cluster must be homogenous. That is:
For these applications to take part in failover, they must be distributable, that is, enabled for session persistence.
For more information, see Chapter 18, "Configuring Session Persistence."
- All the instances should point to the same session store. For more information, see "Creating a Session Store".
- The value of the cluster-id property should be the same for all application server instances. For more information, see "Specifying a Cluster Name for Application Server Instance".
- Each application server instance in a cluster can host more than one application.
- Although you can add the same application server instance to multiple clusters, it is not recommended because of the resulting management complexity. For example, this might create problems while an instance that is part of more than one cluster is removed from one of the clusters.
- It is not mandatory that an application server instance be part of a cluster. However, an instance that is not part of a cluster cannot take advantage of high availability through transfer of session state from one instance to other instances.
- The application server instances within a cluster can be hosted on different machines or on the same machine. That is, you can group application server instances across different machines into a cluster.
- A particular load balancer can forward requests to application server instances on multiple clusters. You can use this ability of the load balancer to perform an online upgrade without loss of service. For more information, see "Using Multiple Clusters for Online Upgrades Without Loss of Service".
- A single cluster can receive requests from multiple load balancers. If a cluster is served by more than one load balancer, you must configure the cluster in exactly the same way on each load balancer. This means that the entries corresponding to the cluster in each loadbalancer.xml file must be identical.
- Each session is tied to a particular cluster. What this implies is that though an application can be deployed on multiple clusters, sessions will only be failed over to application server instances within the same cluster.
The cluster thus acts as a safe boundary for session failover for the application server instances within the cluster. This lets you use the load balancer and upgrade components within the Sun ONE Application Server without loss of service. For more information, see "Using Multiple Clusters for Online Upgrades Without Loss of Service".
Understanding Assigned Requests and Unassigned RequestsWhen a request first comes in from a client to the load balancer, it is a request for a new session. A request for a new session is called an unassigned request. The load balancer routes this request to an application server instance in the cluster according to a round-robin algorithm. For more information, see "Load Balancing Algorithm".
Once a session is created on an application server instance, the load balancer routes all subsequent requests for this session only to that particular instance. A request for an existing session is called an assigned request.
Defining a ClusterTo define a cluster, specify a name for the cluster in the loadbalancer.xml file. You also set up other parameters for the cluster.
Use the name attribute of the cluster element to define the name of the cluster (cluster is a subelement of the element loadbalancer in the loadbalancer.xml file).
To define a new cluster, do the following:
- In the loadbalancer.xml file, create a new cluster sub-element for the loadbalancer element.
- Give a unique name to the name attribute of cluster.
- Specify a URL for the health checker for the cluster.
The health checker URL is suffixed to the URL of the listener for the application server instance to formulate the URL at which health check requests are sent to the instance. For example, if the listener URL of an instance is http://www.example.com:80 and the health checker URL is /fortune, the health check requests for that instance are sent to http://www.example.com:80/fortune
The health check requests are HTTP requests. The response from the instance should be in the range of 100 to 500.
You specify the healthcheck URL by using the url attribute of the health-checker element in the loadbalancer.xml file (the health-checker element is a subelement of the cluster element.)
- Specify the time interval in seconds after which this health check is performed by using the interval-in-seconds attribute of the health-checker element. This is a numeric value. The default value is 30 seconds.
- Specify the timeout value in seconds for the health check request by using the time-out-in-seconds attribute of the health-checker element. This is the time period within which the response should be returned by the application server instance to the health check request sent by the load balancer failing which the application server instance is considered unavailable. The default value is 10 seconds.
Example: Defining a Cluster
<cluster name=mycluster1>
<health-checker url="/" interval-in-seconds="10" time-out-in-seconds="20"/>
</cluster>About Adding Application Server Instances to a Cluster
For adding application server instances to a cluster, use the instance sub element of the cluster element in the loadbalancer.xml file.
The following table describes the attributes of instance. The leftmost column specifies the name of the attribute, the next column provides the default value of the attribute, the next column specifies whether it is mandatory to specify the attribute and the rightmost column provides a description of the attribute.
Table 17-1 Attributes of instance Element
Name of Attribute
Default Value
Required (Yes or No)
Description
name
No default value specified
Yes
Specifies the name of the application server instance in the loadbalancer.xml file. This name need not be the same as the name of the application server instance that you specified when creating the instance. The name must be unique for a cluster, that is, no two application server instances within a cluster can have the same name.
enabled
true
No
Specifies whether the application server instance is enabled or disabled.
disable-timeout-in-minutes
31
No
Specifies the quiescing period in minutes for the application server instance. For more information, see "Understanding Quiescing".
listeners
No default value specified
Yes
Specifies the HTTP listeners for the application server instance. You can specify multiple listeners for an application server instance by separating the URLs of the listeners with a space.
Difference Between Enabling and Starting an Application Server Instance
Enabling an application server instance is different from starting the application server instance. Even if you start an application server instance and define it to be a part of the cluster, the application server instance will not receive requests from the load balancer until you enable it. Enabling an application server instance that is part of a cluster means that the load balancer will route requests to this application server instance. Enabling, therefore, makes the application server instance an active part of the cluster. Similarly, disabling an application server instance is different from stopping the application server instance.
Sometimes you may need to make configuration changes to an application server instance that require a restart of the application server instance. In such cases, you must follow the correct sequence of disabling the application server instance, stopping it, starting it, and enabling it. For more information on such scenarios, see "Reconfiguring an Application Server Instance in a Running Cluster".
Note
After you mark an application server instance in the loadbalancer.xml file as enabled or disabled, the instance is enabled or disabled when the load balancer next polls the loadbalancer.xml file. For more information, see "About Dynamic Reconfiguration".
Requirements for Adding an Application Server Instance to a Cluster
The following conditions must be true before you add an application server instance to a cluster:
- Before you can add any application server instance to a cluster, you must have created the instance through the Administration interface or the command-line interface. For information on creating an application server instance, see "Adding an Application Server Instance".
- Any new application server instance that you add to a cluster must have the same version and the same patch level of Sun ONE Administration Server as all the existing application server instances in the cluster.
- You must ensure the availability of all required peripheral products and libraries (for example JDBC driver classes) in the correct locations and provide the needed access rights.
- The application server instances in a Sun ONE Application Server cluster must be homogenous. That is:
- Session persistence configuration must be identical for a given application across all instances of a cluster. Do not deploy an application with one set of settings to one segment of the instances in a cluster and another set of settings to another segment of instances in the cluster.
- All the instances should point to the same session store. For more information, see "Creating a Session Store".
- The value of the cluster-id property should be the same for all application server instances. For more information, see "Specifying a Cluster Name for Application Server Instance".
- The clocks of all the computers on which application server instances in a cluster reside must be synchronized.
Adding Application Server Instances to a ClusterTo add an application server instance to a cluster, do the following:
- In the loadbalancer.xml file, create a new instance sub-element for the cluster element.
- Provide a name to the application server instance using the name attribute of instance. This name need not be the same as the name of the application server instance that you specified when creating the instance. The name must be unique for a cluster, that is, no two application server instances within a cluster can have the same name.
- Specify whether the application server instance is enabled or disabled by specifying true or false for the enabled attribute of instance. The default value is true, that is the application server instance is enabled. For more information on enabled and disabled application server instance, see "Difference Between Enabling and Starting an Application Server Instance".
- Specify the quiescing period in minutes by using the disable-timeout-in-minutes attribute of instance. This is a numeric value. The default value is 31, which is one minute more than the default session idle timeout of 30 minutes.
If you disable the application server instance, this is the time interval after which the load balancer stops sending assigned requests to the application server instance. For more information on quiescing and quiescing period, see "Understanding Quiescing".
- Specify the listeners for the application server instance by providing the URL of the HTTP listener for the application server instance.
You provide this information using the listeners attribute of the instance element in the loadbalancer.xml file. You can assign one or more listeners to the application server instance. To specify multiple listeners for an application server instance, separate the URLs of the listeners with a space. For example, https://www.example.com:41 https://www.example.com:42
Here is an example where an application server instance named myinstance1 has been added to the cluster named mycluster1. Two listeners have been specified for the application server instance. The health checker for this cluster has also been configured.
<cluster name="mycluster1">
<instance name="myinstance1" enabled="true" disable-timeout-in-minutes="36" listeners="http://www.example.com:41 https://www.example.com:42">
</instance>
<health-checker url="/" interval-in-seconds="10" time-out-in-seconds="15" />
</cluster>
Setting up Multiple ClustersYou can set up a single load balancer to serve multiple clusters. To do this, set up each cluster as explained in "Defining a Cluster" and "Adding Application Server Instances to a Cluster".
Note
When you configure the session persistence settings, create a different session store for each cluster. For more information on creating a session store for a cluster, see "Creating a Session Store".
Deploying a Web Application on a ClusterTo deploy a web application on a cluster, do the following:
- Deploy the web application on all application server instances in the cluster.
To deploy the web application to all instances in the cluster, use the cladmin command as follows:
./cladmin deploy [--instancefile instance_file_location] [--passwordfile password_file_location][--secure | -s] [--virtualservers virtual_servers] [--type application|ejb|web|connector] [--contextroot contextroot] [--force=true|false] [--precompilejsp=true|false] [--name component_name] [--upload=true|false] [--retrieve local_dirpath] [--instance instance_name] filepath
where:
- instance_file_location is the location of the clinstance.conf file.
- password_file_location is the location of the clpassword.conf file.
For more information on the cladmin command, see Chapter 19, "Using the cladmin Command." For more information on deploying an application to an application server instance, see "Tools for Deployment".
- In the loadbalancer.xml file, create a new web-module sub-element for the cluster element for the cluster to which you want to deploy the application.
- Provide the context root URL for the web module that you want to deploy to the cluster by using the context-root attribute of the web-module element.
- Specify whether the web application is enabled or disabled by specifying true or false for the enabled attribute of web-module. The default value is true, that is, the web application is enabled.
Typically, when you deploy applications to a cluster, you enable the application. Enabling an application in a cluster means that the load balancer will route requests to this application.
- Specify the quiescing period in minutes by specifying a value for the disable-timeout-in-minutes attribute of web-module. This is a numeric value. The default value is 31, which is one minute more than the default session idle timeout of 30 minutes.
If you disable the web application, this is the time interval after which the load balancer stops sending assigned requests to the web application. For more information on quiescing, see "Understanding Quiescing".
Here is an example in which a web application with the context root /fortune has been added to a cluster called cluster1.
<cluster name="cluster1">
<web-module context-root="/fortune" enabled="true" />
</cluster>
Sample Cluster Configuration in a loadbalancer.xml FileHere are sample entries for a cluster in the loadbalancer.xml file. Note that in a complete loadbalancer.xml file, there will be other entries, for example related to load balancer polling interval, HTTPS routing enabling, and so on. For more information about the other possible entries, see "Load Balancer Configuration File".
<loadbalancer name="loadbalancer1">
<cluster name="cluster1">
<instance name="myinstance1" enabled="true" listeners="http://www.example.com:41 https://www.example.com:42">
</instance>
<instance name="myinstance2" enabled="true" listeners="http://www.example.com:43 https://www.example.com:44">
</instance>
<web-module context-root="/fortune" enabled="true" />
<web-module context-root="/shopping" enabled="true" />
<health-checker url="/" interval-in-seconds="10" />
</cluster>
</loadbalancer>
Starting a ClusterTo start a cluster, do the following:
- Start all application server instances in the cluster.
To start all instances in the cluster, use the cladmin command as follows:
./cladmin [--instancefile instance_file_location] [--passwordfile password_file_location]start-instance
where:
- instance_file_location is the location of the clinstance.conf file.
- password_file_location is the location of the clpassword.conf file.
For more information on the cladmin command, see Chapter 19, "Using the cladmin Command."
- Enable all the application server instances in the cluster.
Understanding QuiescingSuppose an application server instance in a cluster has received requests and is in the process of serving them. If you now want to stop this instance for any reason (for example to add a JDBC resource), you would want this instance to complete serving these requests before you stop it. Similarly, if you want to undeploy a web application from a cluster, you would want all instances in the cluster that are serving requests for these application to complete serving the requests before you undeploy the web application. Quiescing is a process that helps achieve this.
This topic contains the following sections:
Disabling and Quiescing an Application Server Instance in a Cluster
Quiescing an application server instance is the process of shutting it down in a phased manner. First, the load balancer stops sending any unassigned requests to the instance and instead diverts these unassigned requests to other available instances in the cluster.
However, for a time interval called the quiescing period, the load balancer still sends to the application server instance the assigned requests that it was serving. For information about specifying the quiescing period for an application server instance, see "Adding Application Server Instances to a Cluster".
Next, after the quiescing period is over, the load balancer stops sending to the application server instance the assigned requests that the instance was serving and fails over these assigned requests to other available instances in the cluster.
Note
These assigned requests are honored only if high availability has been enabled for the corresponding web applications. For more information on enabling high availability for web applications, see "Making an Application Distributable".
Even after the quiescing period is over, the load balancer allows the instance to serve all the requests that the load balancer dispatched to the instance before the quiescing period ended. For such requests, the load balancer returns the results to the client even after the quiescing period is over. Therefore, you should wait for the quiescing period plus a sufficient time to allow the requests being served by the application server instance to complete before you shut down the application server instance.
In some cases, however, these requests may be very long running, and it is possible that some such requests will not be served when you shut down the application server instance.
Quiescing does not start as soon as you make changes to the loadbalancer.xml file and save the changes. The load balancer polls the loadbalancer.xml file periodically to check if that the time stamp of the file has changed from the last time polling happened. For more information, see "About Dynamic Reconfiguration". If the load balancer detects that the time stamp of the file has changed from the last time, it reloads the entire configuration of the loadbalancer.xml file. Therefore, if you disable an application server instance, the load balancer will start quiescing the application server instance when it next polls the loadbalancer.xml file. Similarly, if you mark an instance as enabled in the load balancer.xml file, the instance will be enabled when the load balancer next polls the loadbalancer.xml file.
As an example, let us take an application server instance whose quiescing period is 31 minutes. At the beginning of the quiescing period, the load balancer stops sending all unassigned requests to the application server instance but continues to send the assigned requests to the application server instance. After 31 minutes, the loadbalancer stops sending even the assigned requests to the application server instance and fails over the assigned requests to other available application server instances in the cluster. However, if at 30 minutes and 50 seconds the load balancer had sent an assigned request to the application server instance, the application server instance will be allowed to serve this assigned request even after 31 minutes are over.
To enable quiescing, you use the enabled attribute of the instance element in the loadbalancer.xml file. In a running cluster, setting the value of enabled for an application server instance in that cluster to false in the corresponding loadbalancer.xml file(s) initiates quiescing for that application server instance (when the load balancer next polls the loadbalancer.xml file).
You specify the quiescing period by specifying an appropriate value for the disable-timeout-in-minutes subelement of the instance element in the loadbalancer.xml file. The default value of disable-timeout-in-minutes is 31 minutes, which is one minute more than the default session-idle-timeout value of 30 minutes.
You can use the load balancer logs to ascertain if the application server instance has been quiesced. Once an instance has been quiesced, the log will contain the following entry:
Instance: instance_name quiesced successfully over the cluster: cluster_name.
instance_name is the name specified for the instance in the loadbalancer.xml file. cluster_name is the name of the cluster, in which the instance exists, as specified in the loadbalancer.xml file.
Disabling and Quiescing a Web Application in a Cluster
If you disable a web application on a cluster, the load balancer stops sending any unassigned request for the web application to application server instances in the cluster. If this web application is deployed on other clusters that the load balancer is serving, these unassigned requests are sent to application server instances in the other clusters.
However, assigned requests for this web application that are being serviced by application server instances in the cluster will continue to be serviced till the quiescing period ends. After the quiescing period is over, the load balancer stops sending even these assigned requests to application server instances in the cluster.
You use the enabled attribute of the web-module element in the loadbalancer.xml file to disable a web application in a cluster. In a running cluster, setting the value of enabled for a web application in that cluster to false disables the web application on the cluster. As in the case of application server instances, the quiescing does not start immediately after you make the changes and save them. The quiescing starts after the next load balancer polling occurs.
Specify the quiescing period by specifying an appropriate value for the disable-timeout-in-minutes subelement of the web-module element in the loadbalancer.xml file. The default value of disable-timeout is 31 minutes, which is one minute more than the default session-idle-timeout value of 30 minutes.
You can use the load balancer logs to ascertain if the web application has been quiesced. Once a web application has been quiesced, the log will contain the following entry:
Application: application_name quiesced successfully over the cluster cluster_name
where
Modifying the Quiescing Period While Quiescing is On
Suppose an application server instance or a web application is being quiesced and that the quiescing period is more than the load balancer polling interval.
You now make some other changes to the loadbalancer.xml file before the next load balancer polling interval. When the load balancer next polls the loadbalancer.xml file, it detects a change in the time stamp from the last time it polled the file. Because the quiescing period is more than the load balancer polling period, the quiescing is not over yet. However, the load balancer reloads the entire configuration and starts the quiescing process again.
You can use this feature to alter the quiescing period of an application server instance or a web application that is being quiesced. As an example, consider the following scenario.
The quiescing period of an application server instance is 30 minutes and the load balancer polling interval is 1 second. You now disable the application server instance. When the load balancer polling occurs again, the load balancer starts to quiesce the instance.
Suppose after 10 minutes, you want to reduce the overall quiescing period from 30 minutes to 15 minutes, that is, you want the quiescing period to be over in the next 5 minutes. For this, you change the quiescing period of the application server instance to 5 minutes. When the load balancer polling occurs again, the load balancer quiesces the instance once more (because the quiescing is not over yet), with a new quiescing period of 5 minutes.
The overall quiescing period is therefore 15 minutes (10 minutes during the first cycle and 5 minutes during the second cycle).
Obviously, while using this feature, you cannot reduce the quiescing period to a value less than the load balancer polling interval.
For information about setting the load balancer polling interval, see "About Dynamic Reconfiguration".
Using Multiple Clusters for Online Upgrades Without Loss of ServiceYou can use the load balancer and multiple clusters to upgrade components within the Sun ONE Application Server without any loss of service. A component can, for example, be a JVM, the Sun ONE Application Server, or a web application.
To achieve this, do the following:
- Stop one of the clusters. For more information on stopping a cluster, see "Stopping a Cluster".
- Upgrade the component in that cluster.
- Start the cluster. For more information on starting a cluster, see "Starting a Cluster".
- Repeat the process with the other clusters, one by one.
Because sessions within one cluster will never failover to sessions within another cluster, there is no risk of version mismatch caused by a session failing over from an application server instance that is running one version of the component failing over to another application server instance (in a different cluster) that is running a different version of the component. A cluster in this way acts as a safe boundary for session failover for the application server instances within it.
Note
This approach is not possible in the following cases:
- When you change the schema of the high-availability database (HADB). For more information, see Chapter 20, "Administering the High-Availability Database."
- When you perform an application upgrade that involves a change to the application database schema.
Reconfiguring an Application Server Instance in a Running ClusterThere may be cases where you want to make changes to the configuration of an (enabled) application server instance that require restarting the application server instance. For example, you may want to add a JDBC resource to the application server instance, which will necessitate the restarting of the application server instance. In such cases, follow these steps:
- Disable the application server instance from the cluster by setting the value (in the loadbalancer.xml file) of the enabled attribute of the instance element to false.
- After the quiescing period is over, plus a sufficient time to allow the requests being served by the application server instance to complete, reconfigure the application server instance.
- Restart the application server instance.
- Enable the application server instance by setting the value (in the loadbalancer.xml file) of the enabled attribute of the instance element to true.
Undeploying a Web Application from a ClusterTo undeploy a web application from a cluster, do the following:
- Disable the web application from the cluster by setting the value (in the loadbalancer.xml file) of the enabled attribute of the web-module element to false.
- After the quiescing period is over, undeploy the web application from all the application server instances in the cluster.
To undeploy the web application from all instances in the cluster, use the cladmin command as follows:
./cladmin undeploy [--instancefile instance_file_location] [--passwordfile password_file_location][--secure | -s] [--type application|ejb|web|connector] [--instance instance_name] component_name
where:
For more information on the cladmin command, see Chapter 19, "Using the cladmin Command." For more information about undeploying an application from an application server instance, see "Tools for Deployment".
Redeploying an Existing Web Application on a ClusterThere may be cases when you want to make changes to a deployed web application that require you to undeploy the web application and then again deploy it. For example, you may want to deploy an upgraded version of a web application. In such cases, follow these steps:
- Disable the web application by setting the value (in the loadbalancer.xml file) of the enabled attribute of the corresponding web-module element to false.
- After the quiescing period is over, redeploy the web application on the application server instances in the cluster.
- Enable the web application in the cluster by setting the value (in the loadbalancer.xml file) of the enabled attribute of the corresponding web-module element to true.
Stopping an Application Server Instance in a ClusterTo stop an application server instance in a cluster, do the following:
- Disable the application server instance by setting the value (in the loadbalancer.xml file) of the enabled attribute of the instance element to false.
- After the quiescing period is over, plus a sufficient time to allow the requests being served by the application server instance to complete, stop the application server instance.
Stopping a ClusterTo stop a cluster, do the following:
- Disable all application server instances from the cluster by setting the value (in the loadbalancer.xml file) of the enabled attribute of the corresponding instance element to false.
- After the quiescing period is over, plus a sufficient time to allow the requests being served by the application server instance to complete, stop all application server instances that belong to the cluster.
To stop all instances in the cluster, use the cladmin command as follows:
./cladmin [--instancefile instance_file_location] [--passwordfile password_file_location] stop-instance
Removing an Application Server Instance from a ClusterTo remove an application server instance from a cluster, do the following:
- Disable the application server instance by setting the value (in the loadbalancer.xml file) of the enabled attribute of the corresponding instance element to false.
- After the quiescing period plus a sufficient time to allow the requests being served by the application server instance to complete, remove the entries corresponding to the application server instance in loadbalancer.xml file.
Once you remove an application server instance from a cluster, any assigned request for that instance is routed by the load balancer to other instances as part of the round-robin algorithm. If the application server instance to which the request is routed is part of the same cluster and the session has not been invalidated, the session is failed over. Otherwise, the application server instance to which the request is routed treats the request as an unassigned request.
Removing a ClusterTo remove a cluster from a loadbalancer, do the following:
- Disable each web application deployed to the application server instances in the cluster by setting the value (in the loadbalancer.xml file) of the enabled attribute of the corresponding web-module element to false.
- (Optional) After all the web applications have been quiesced, undeploy the web applications from all the individual application server instances in the cluster. To undeploy each application from all the instances in the cluster, use the cladmin command. For information on how to do this, see "Undeploying a Web Application from a Cluster".
- Remove all entries for the cluster (including entries for the application server instances and the web applications in the cluster) from the loadbalancer.xml file.
Using Multiple Load BalancersFor a set of clusters, you can use multiple load balancers to improve scalability by adding more application server instances and to improve fault tolerance.
All the load balancers must have identical configurations and the loadbalancer.xml files for all the load balancers must be identical. It is recommended that you have a master copy of the loadbalancer.xml file and use a script to distribute this master copy to all the load balancers in your system. This ensures that the configuration change is done simultaneously to all the operational load balancers. This is particularly useful when enabling or disabling clusters, instances, and applications.
Typically, requests are sent to these load balancers through a single source, for example a hardware load balancer or a DNS-based load distribution mechanism.
Multiple load balancers can also be used for serving two entirely different set of clusters. For example, you might want your secure (HTTPS) applications to be handled by one load balancer and the rest of the applications by another load balancer. In this case, the loadbalancer.xml files for these load balancers will be different.